Mr. Brendan Crowley:

I accept what the Senator said. The public and commercial transport sectors, especially the commercial sector, are much more sophisticated than they were for many years. There are many good employers who follow all the best HR practices. Nobody would have a problem if sectoral agreement affected everyone so they do not distort competition or anything like that. However, certainty is needed around all the other elements. If employers are going to invest in people, they need to be able to tell people how long it will take for the career path to progress. They need to be able to say to people that if they come to work for them, they will be a trainee for X amount of time, they will get their test in X number of weeks, then will be able to drive in X number of weeks and then worry about further progression after that.