Miss Karen Jardine:

I thank Senators for their questions and thoughtful reflections on what they have heard this morning.

Senator Ó Donnghaile picked up on my comment that conversation might turn to a united Ireland when, for many, the conversation has already turned. Within the Presbyterian Church in Ireland, PCI, we have been engaging in listening and conversations on the back of the event we did at Union Theological College on the centenary of Northern Ireland last year, which was a public event. We have been engaging with, and listening to, demographics and people within the denomination who may feel they are not normally heard. That includes working people who live on urban estates; areas that may be termed loyalist working-class communities. A number of our ministers serve in those communities and work alongside them. One of the messages that come back-----