John McGuinness (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fianna Fail) | Oireachtas source

That may be the case but is it the structure and the Civil Service actors within that structure that are required for current and future times, because those times have changed considerably as well? I see a huge effort being made in businesses big and small to ensure IT and reporting are up to scratch and that change can happen immediately. You just have to take the HSE, the Department of Finance and you find there is little or no IT infrastructure there to record the necessary financial reports and outputs from all of the various sections. That would not happen in business and if it did, that business would not be in business for very long. I do not see that type of real step change being made in big Departments and that really concerns me. Before I go away from that, I have one more comment on the reports that come through the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and are channelled to the different Departments, with the minute then being channelled back to the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and then to the Committee of Public Accounts.

Would it be a worthwhile exercise to look at the various reports from the Committee of Public Accounts going to the various different Departments and do an exercise to find out how many recommendations were accepted, how many were totally rejected and how many were partially acted on? That would be a worthwhile exercise and would give some sort of insight into how it all operates.

Will Mr. Moloney explain the recruitment process at senior level? That is a public process. It is a process that tries to attract others within the Civil Service to come forward. There is a public end of it to try and get people from the private sector in. How many private sector people have been employed within the Civil Service in the past ten years at that level?