Mr. Stephen Mulvany:

Second, we see it continuing, as I said. Third, it is not really appropriate for two public bodies to effectively engage in a kind of dispute by me trying to respond to that. We have already said we would disagree with the CEO, Mr. Keegan, on some of the figures. We believe a resolution is required and we know that does not involve ourselves. As a final point, we actually do not know. We told the committee, and the director of the Ambulance Service has said, that the contribution we are making is broadly in line with what we understand to be our costs. The city council's costs are its own costs and they intermingle to some extent. The service it has, which is a great service, is a fire brigade service with an ambulance component. Again, let us remember that the key thing to be resolved in all of this is the integration of call-taking and dispatch, because that is a quality and safety issue. The rest is money, and the money is important. We do and we will engage with Owen Keegan but I do not think that across the floor of a committee chamber is the way to do it.