Mr. Des Dempsey:

I go out and work and I will scout around the streets and on the apps right up to around 12 midnight looking for fares. Taxis are queuing up and even illegally parking trying to get some work. Then all the buses and the mainstream transport goes off the road and the whole pressure comes on the taxi system. When that starts happening - it is exactly what Mr. Brennan said earlier - there is mayhem. People come out on the roads. Some are drunk and some have other substances in their systems. It is a jungle out there. Then we lock into a protection mode until 4 a.m. We have to start asking "Where are you going?" and so on just to make sure they will not be troublesome to us.

It is about security first.