John McGuinness (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fianna Fail) | Oireachtas source

It is just the budgets that I am interested in. I can never fathom how an increase in a budget can be agreed without knowing the full facts of how the money allocated in the previous year or the year before that was spent. It seems that the only thing the Government is doing is throwing money at what is a big black hole. There is no measurement of real outcomes. It is difficult to understand because it is a vast amount of money and a big organisation. I imagine if it was a corporation it would have reporting systems to give it the projections it need. The HSE does not seem to have this.