Mr. Jonathan Powell:

It is a very good question. I do not have a magic answer. It is basically about making it safe for them. Any unionist, let alone a unionist political leader, does not want to find themselves caught out and accused of being a Lundy. We have to find ways of making that conversation safe. Ideally, that would involve the two Governments, although it is difficult with the current state of the British Government. If there were two positive Governments trying to do something, that might make it easier because they could provide the political umbrella that would allow such discussions to take place without people getting criticised, the same way they did during the talks process. I do not want to say we are waiting for Boris for everything but we are waiting, or preparing, for a period where that is possible. If the Irish Government can establish a citizens' assembly or something else like that, that is what I would spend my time doing. One has to make it a safe space for unionists to do this. They do not want their political careers curtailed because they are caught talking publicly about a united Ireland. It needs to be a sensible thing for them to be doing. Even if they were to say why they do not want it, at least that is a discussion. I do not have a magic answer. It is about trying to get to a dialogue. It would probably have to start with private dialogue and then expand to something more when they have cover to do it. That would be worth trying to do.