Ivana Bacik (Dublin Bay South, Labour) | Oireachtas source

We talked about definitions and that was a difficult one.

I will call Deputy Clarke but I have one more big question, if I may, for all of our guests. I was struck by Ms O'Loughlin's point that equality budgeting should not be a box ticking exercise. Given that we are now in a process where there has been equality budgeting going on for some years, can Ms O'Loughlin say that has improved the process of budgeting? Are there outcomes? Sometimes, particularly for people who are listening online, it is dry and technical. What are the outcomes? What are the tangible improvements from engaging in this process? Can we see any already? Will it take more time to bed down?