Ms Deirdre Mortell:

On the first question about who the investors are and whether there is an integrity or ethics issue, and another Deputy raised that too, that is very simply a case of designing that into the pilot. If Rethink Ireland is the one managing the pilot, we will be designing that in. Our vision is of a more just, equal and sustainable Ireland because of social innovation and we will not be participating in any pilot SOC that cuts across that. It will be up to us to raise the investment so we will be looking at who the potential investors are and how we can screen for vested interests or any conflicts of interest. That is a pretty straightforward process. It is a design issue. Part of what we are saying in the next phase of the EIB is: how do we design that pilot and what are the key issues? Clearly that is one of the issues that must go on the table in that design.