James Lawless (Kildare North, Fianna Fail) | Oireachtas source

I thank Mr. Browder. I have several questions. The point made by the representatives of the Department was that the revenue from a human rights abuse might be derived from what is called a profit-generating crime as opposed to human rights abuse. I would like to understand and flesh that out a little. If people were engaged in human trafficking and then using those trafficked people in the commission of further crimes, be that drug distribution or other activities, is the relevant fact that they are incidental to the crime? Is it incidental to the offence in this regard that the perpetrators are treating people in a way that violates their human rights? Is the actual crime committed the drug trafficking or whatever other illegal activity it might be? Is there a link if people’s rights are being violated, in cases where that violation of rights does not generate a profit in itself? I invite Mr. Browder to elaborate on that distinction a little further in respect of the statement that I think came from the Department. That is why I am looking at Ms Woods. I think she may have said it was a profit-generating crime rather than a human rights abuse. Are they not interlinked?