Professor Malcolm MacLachlan:

I have issued that statement in terms of the Senator's son's experience and people on waiting lists. We are failing them. There are people receiving services who are benefiting from them. The point I was trying to make is that I believe the solution that will ensure we stop failing people is not to pay clinicians more, but to provide more clinicians and increase training and recruitment. Irish clinicians are pretty well paid if one compares it internationally. I made the point that medical consultants here are paid approximately twice what medical consultants are paid in the UK, and people are going back to the UK from Australia or elsewhere.