Ms Frances Byrne:

I suppose I should. I agree entirely. Without sounding patronising, it is wonderful to hear men in leadership positions saying this and we need more of that. In terms of the pre-Covid figure of nearly 200,000 children going into crèches every day, it is really important for those little girls and boys to see men and women in crèches. That visibility is so important. Of course, pay and terms and conditions are important but as members well know, it is a much wider societal issue. Early years and school-age care and all of the other traditionally female sectors are examples of that wider problem.