Mr. Peter Glynn:

We concur and there is a common thread here. The interaction with the Department from an operational and an employment relations point of view is at a low ebb. What would improve that going forward would be a re-engagement of the operations forum. This would have to be a real fit-for-purpose forum, unlike the proposal the Department has at the moment for CE schemes. We need an effective collective bargaining forum that deals with all of the stakeholders to address these issues rather than having to deal with them on an individual basis in each enterprise.