Mr. Ray English:

The Senator raised a number of points. On the question of Germany and Norway, it is a real issue of equity. It is more than equality and they value apprenticeships in a totally different way and support them accordingly and more where they are needed. It is not a new culture and it comes from the longer term. We are starting that again and for us that journey might be slightly longer. It is the value that is really important. It is a collective value and it is really important to drive it on. It is also about visibility, which is really important. The more visibility we can get of young people, the better. Both Mr. Hourihan and myself are qualified tradespeople so we need to get to the younger people. It is really key to much of the outputs.

I will also take off my World Skills Ireland hat and put on my TU Dublin hat. We had Bolton Street and Kevin Street, although that building has been demolished and the programme has moved to Grangegorman. The building at Bolton Street is very old. In many cases, it is about the type of space that is available and it may not be a flexible space that allows for the new type of education we are seeking. As Mr. Hourihan pointed out, those facilities would be used both for undergraduate courses, research and apprenticeships. It is that combination that will give us the flexibility to grow that equity in everything we deliver. That is really important.