Tom Clonan (Independent) | Oireachtas source

That is great. That makes sense. It is a deterministic, quantitative, paternalistic, measurable sort of thing. It is like they shy away from the qualitative, experiential element of being put in that awful situation and a mother knowing there will be negative consequences and seeing this happen to other people. It is unimaginable pain and torment. I thank Ms O'Kennedy.