Dr. Katriona O'Sullivan:

It is not up to schools. That is a cop-out in a sense. Schools, especially those that are very disadvantaged, with which I work day in and day out, are offering as much emotional and social support to their students as possible. Some of them do not have a chance to engage in these wonderful opportunities and then they get blamed for not taking them up. The reality is that we need to be stronger as a Government and a society and say everybody needs to leave school with the scientific capabilities to engage meaningfully in society. That is the Government's responsibility. Anyone who says that a school did not take up the option does not understand schools. That is not the Deputy. I am directing that at a Minister if that is what the Minister said.

I loved when the Deputy spoke about CoderDojo. I went to sign up to CoderDojo for my son years ago. One needed a laptop and to be able to drive there. It was just at the new time of laptops as well. That was my son out. We were not poor. We were okay. The reality is that one has to have the money to be able to engage in the clubs. The truth is that it is the Government's job to ensure the schools are adequately resourced and have the commodities and capabilities and that it understands how to govern correctly. Until that happens, the influencers will still be selling whatever products they are developing and getting young ones to think that Mykonos is the best place to go on holiday. That is okay-----