Mr. Peter Boylan:

Sisters, priests and so on are well out of hospitals and have been for many years but what succeeds them are lay organisations. For example, the Edmund Rice Schools Trust in education, the Mater Hospital in Dublin, the Mercy University Hospital in Cork and so on, have all divested themselves of direct religious ownership but they maintain a Catholic ethos. They are quite open about it but we have not seen the Vatican papers, as I call them. I made the point that the doctors will not be working for Holles Street as it is at present. There will be a completely new corporate entity. That entity will be owned by St. Vincent's Holdings company, the directors, or in other words the shareholders, of which have committed to uphold the values and vision of Mother Mary Aikenhead and the Religious Sisters of Charity. We are being asked to believe those values include the provision of services such as abortion and the other services we talked about.