Mr. Vincent Farr:

To follow on, they would have been better off taking off the Coast Guard jacket and acting as a good Samaritan. It would have been better to take their coat off and step over the fence, like the Deputy or I could today if someone collapsed in the street. They would have been better off taking off their personal protective equipment, PPE, and stepping over the fence. However, unfortunately because the culture is instilled that they will be punished for doing this, they are afraid. That culture is there. That is a real threat to our volunteer members and that is why we are losing so many members.