Mr. Jim Griffin:

I will answer Deputy O'Rourke's question on the importance of the Minister. I listened to the Minister of State at the Department of Transport, Deputy Hildegarde Naughton, on the television last night. I was struck by how well she spoke. When she was asked a question, and people in other rooms are all talking about the maternity hospital today, she took it on herself - not advisers or anybody else - to find out that all the boxes were ticked so she could sign off on this 300-year lease that is being talked about. I thought to myself if the Minister of State could give that to us, we would be over the line here and would be able to engage with management again. That is how in-depth it needs to be. I respect all the committee members who are listening to us today, but we need to get that message to the Minister of State. What she is hearing from management is not what is happening on the ground.