Mr. John O'Donoghue:

Yes, and if the Deputy looks at the lease, he will see that St. Vincent's cannot, other than in a default situation, take control of the building. That needs to be made very clear. I ask the people putting out information about title to tell us why the State needs a freehold, what is wrong with the lease arrangement and, in particular, how a freehold would work without all the rights we have built into this document. As has been pointed out before, the hospital will be on a shared campus. There will be shared access routes and shared facilities. That cannot be done with a freehold agreement, with a two-page transfer of land, with a "there you go". There will still need to be an agreement between the State and St. Vincent's as to how they operate both those buildings. That is all dealt with. I ask anyone, including Deputy Shortall, to go through the document and tell me what is wrong with the State's interest for the next 299 years.