Mr. John O'Donoghue:

I do not accept that. The freehold owner of the land is St. Vincent's Healthcare Group. St. Vincent's Healthcare Group will be entering into a lease of that land for 299 years. That is a legal interest. That is not disputed. It is a legal estate and title that the HSE will have. That is an interest in land for 299 years. As I said before, as long as the State complies with its obligations, St. Vincent's will have no way of getting that title back. Whatever is there at the end – people make comments about the building – or whatever is on the land goes back to the freehold owner.