Mr. Martin Fraser:

He must have been aware because I would have said it to him. It would have been my view at the time. He is the person in charge of the Department of Health, so I am quite sure I would have said it to him. Maybe I said it to him at a meeting I have forgotten, maybe I said it to him on the phone or maybe I said it to him when I met him in the course of other business but that is how he would have been aware.