Mr. Martin Fraser:

I do not remember it very clearly. I am sure he would have indicated that he felt that having served as CMO for as long as he did and indeed before that, as deputy CMO, that he would like to move on in the future. It was a general enough conversation. You have quoted back what I said to Deputy O' Callaghan but I think you heard the other issues I mentioned to him that I do not want to keep raising.