Mr. Teige Ryan:

What is happening in Scotland in terms of its implementation of the Mackinnon review of the Scottish licensing system is that they went from planting 4,000 ha in 2016 to 10,000 to 12,000 ha per year in the past two or three years. When Scotland's afforestation increased, ours dropped. We are exporting millions of saplings to Scotland, which otherwise would be destroyed. In Ireland, there was a Mackinnon review, which was provided to the Minister in 2019, but nothing has been done since. The objective of Project Woodland is to implement the Mackinnon review. That has not happened. The afforestation levels are still decreasing. In terms of where the nurseries are today, we are putting a lot of trust and faith in politicians. We sow our seed in late April-early May for the forestry programme three years down the line. The nursery makes that leap of faith on its own. There is no interaction with the Department on what species will be required or what level of planting will be done because the Department does not know that detail. If anyone doubts me on that, they can raise the issue with the Department. It has no idea of what is being planted next week let alone in three years' time. That is the position of the nurseries. It is a solo run. As it happens, we are-----