Mr. Pádraig Egan:

I have a quick point following from Mr. Bruton's response to Senator Paul Daly's question. To give a simple example, in 2021, we planted 2,000 ha of forestry in the country, which is a quarter of the target. Maybe 1,000 ha of that will end up as roundwood in commercial sawmills around the country in 25 years. That 1,000 ha would be only 10% of what the sawmills require this year. In 20 or 30 years, as the Minister of State has said, we should be thinking timber and building timber. We will not have timber because we are not planting enough. The Minister of State launched an organic forum yesterday. Every land use stakeholder in the country was involved, including Teagasc and all the different companies involved in farming. There are 23 or 24 of them. No one from forestry was involved. The Minister would say that it is organic, not forestry. That is not true because organic farming and forestry are linked. The Minister of State is an organic farmer and she has forestry. There is a direct link. No one understands it better than her. My point is that in everything she does, she does not think about forestry. Forestry is not top of the table. That is another example, which happened just yesterday.