Ms Mary McDermott:

If I may pick up on something Mr. Kelly said earlier. He was talking about the private sphere which is greatly protected but I would raise the separation of the world into private and public is itself a patriarchal construct. It is a place where men divide what may be counted and not counted as real, not least among them, violence. I was having a very interesting conversation with a UK expert last week when she said that if we look again at the figures around violent crime and put the private sphere into that assessment and take the outliers out, for the data nerds, then the most prevalent form of violence is of men against women. And we all know that intuitively. The division of the private and public is problematic, as I said in my opening remarks, which has been redrawn during Covid but also within an educational context. There is the attitude of "We cannot talk about that here". We have to sit down and talk about all this. That is where we want to go.