Ms Helen Hall:

One of the things we have learned is that in some of the policing plans, such as the ones before our time or even the early policing plans in the life of the authority, there was, for example, an indicator to develop a diversity strategy, but the question would then be whether it had changed anything. We are trying, as best we can, to challenge that so what, as it were. There has been learning on our side as we are a relatively new body, but it is a challenge to the Garda now as well, and Ms Tumelty referred to the fact the Garda, I believe under Deputy Commissioner Coxon and Deputy Commissioner McMahon, is looking at trying to get more towards being outcome-based and dealing with the so what. It is both. One wants to do several things but ultimately it is a question of whether it makes a difference.