Emer Higgins (Dublin Mid West, Fine Gael) | Oireachtas source

A particularly uplifting story that made it to the national airwaves was that of Ivana and Cathy recently. Cathy has children born through surrogacy. Ivana was the surrogate mother in Ukraine and, as many people will be aware, has now come to live with Cathy and her family in Wicklow. I suppose I highlight that as a case in the context of what the previous speaker has said about women in Ukraine being seen as incubators. That is absolutely far from the truth always. I suppose it is a great example of where an Irish person who has benefited from surrogacy has, as she said, carried Ivana's family when Ivana carried hers.

I agree with the Chair when she stated we need to be particularly careful around the use of language at this committee. Even if one is quoting someone, it does not matter. To use expressions such as "online store" and "supermarket" is seeking headlines and trying to be controversial when what we need to do is have a debate.