Mr. Pat Larkin:

To go back to the main point, I agree that the Department of Defence has a role. I can understand why the NCSC ended up where it is, in the Department responsible for communications. This is because it was regarded as a technical matter historically. It is not; it is a national security matter. It is a matter of citizen and societal safety. Therefore, we have to escalate co-ordination, leadership and responsibility to that level.