Ruairi Ó Murchú (Louth, Sinn Fein) | Oireachtas source

I thank our guests. Many points have been made on the co-creation of design, which is absolutely necessary for safety and security. I get the idea that passive surveillance is a major game changer rather than using other security measures. There was some conversation earlier about antisocial behaviour, perhaps as a result of people misusing alcohol and drugs. That probably requires a wider discussion because it impacts on all of us. That is probably for another day. A much more complicated answer to those issues is required.

I will ask about wider issues relating to those from a lower socio-economic space, particularly ethnic minorities. Dr. Leva made the strong point that 40% of public transport journeys relate to care giving. I was previously told that a major design problem is how we deal with mothers with buggies. I am not great at multitasking. I can imagine that I if I was left alone with a buggy and a couple of kids who were running every which way, it would end in disaster. I would probably end up in a Garda station. That is a different kettle of fish. I would like to get into those design issues.

We have spoken about young women and cycling. Are issues in that regard related to factors other than the design of the infrastructure? We know, for example, that girls tend to opt out of sport at an earlier age. We all go through teenage years and get notions. Embarrassment is an issue. I imagine there are greater issues for females. It would be better for me to listen to our guests rather than rabbiting on so I will stop now.