Dr. Mick Molloy:

The question is very valid. We are almost talking about two, or even three or four, competing systems. We are talking about chronic care, acute care, emergency care and the elective hospitals' elective care, which is different again. The 5,000 extra beds was from a Department of Health report 20 years ago. We have followed that since then and looked at the trends in admissions. The international evidence suggests that when a hospital is operating at above 85% capacity it becomes less efficient, there are more mistakes, there are more problems with admissions and there are more things missed because of the difficulty in moving all the people around to accommodate them. In fact, that 85% figure is predicated on-----