David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein) | Oireachtas source

Okay. We go back to who was in the role previously. This is the problem. We have all these hearings. Nobody takes responsibility for anything. It is always somebody else's fault or somebody else's responsibility. If we have a report that tells us very clearly there were failures in governance, supervision, oversight, clinical practice, administrative processes, then there were clearly failures in management and people need to step up and accept responsibility for failures in management. It never happens. It is not happening again today. People are not accepting responsibility for failures. I accept Mr. Fitzgerald came into his post in 2020. Then we need to look at who was in the post before that. Is that person accepting responsibility? These failures had consequences for children.

I want to put a number of questions in regard to the treatment of the whistleblower. If allegations are raised by the whistleblower and if actions are taken on foot of those allegations, whose responsibility is it to engage with the whistleblower? Ultimately, at the top, whose responsibility is it?