Ms Anne O'Connor:

I would not accept that. What we know is that, in this instance, it did not work and as Dr. Young set out this has demonstrated to us that some of the measures we use are not robust enough. I dispute the assertion that we do not have a governance structure in place. We have invested significantly in the structure of services to ensure we have clinical directors and executive clinical directors to provide the clinical governance. They are in place in all our CHOs.