Mr. Tim Cullinan:

I was coming to that. The money has to trickle down the supply chain from the retailer to the processor and down to the farmer. The ask from poultry farmers was for 15 cent of an increase in the price of a chicken and a 2 cent increase on the price of an egg. On pigmeat, they need to be able to get 50 cent at retail level down the line, which is a minimum increase at retail level. We had best be clear. The people dealing directly with retailers would be afraid, and there is no point in saying otherwise, to stand outside their doors as they would run the risk of being delisted. That is a major issue for them.