Louise O'Reilly (Dublin Fingal, Sinn Fein) | Oireachtas source

Of course there must be some form of balance but, with respect, there is no balance in the IBEC submission. It is all, I would have thought, fairly negative towards what has been done so far. I add that what has been done so far is, in the eyes of most people, actually quite prohibitive and is not in any way, shape or form going to deliver the right to remote work that people want.

I refer briefly to the ICTU submission. Ms King said that in Britain all they saw was a 4% movement in their legislation. Would she be in favour of setting a target in that regard, namely, a target for numbers who have actually moved and that that would be a reasonable assessment by which we could judge the success or otherwise of this. That is the first question.

With the civil and public services, where the Government has an opportunity to, as we might say, put its money where its mouth is, and lead on this, would ICTU be in favour of those targets being set? In the event of targets being set - and I am aware there are some there at the minute - should they be ambitious, or more ambitious? Should we see some leadership, even ahead of this legislation coming in, with the civil and public services?