Ms Naoimh McNamee:

If I may add to that, the Deputy asked how we measure success. When you have objectives around increasing empathy, understanding and shifting mindsets, which cut across the work Glencree does, it can be quite difficult to measure success. You cannot do a simple quantitative analysis. The programme is formally evaluated throughout its life cycle. One thing that is very important to the work of Glencree is the principle of co-design. While we have a planned series of engagements through the Glencree models we use in the context of facilitating dialogue and building relationships using, as Ms McGlone has mentioned, different mechanisms, such as the arts and providing opportunities for people to get together, when it comes to how people are coming along with the single-identity work and being willing to meet with those from other communities or those who have different views, there are bespoke models for measuring how things are shifting along, but it is not straightforward. We are quite lucky to work with the Special EU Programmes Body, SEUPB, a funder that understands the sensitive nature of the work. As to the crux of what Glencree does, as Ms McGlone has said, we do not represent victims and survivors, but walk along with them. We have our planned level of activity and also remain flexible with regard to what is going on in social and political contexts and what the victims themselves want to see happen. When talking about victims and survivors and what they have been through, the power has been taken away from them. When it comes to the process of reconciliation or people being able to work through the issues they have, giving them some power in that area is very important. That is an important part of what Glencree does in supporting them through that process. I hope that helps to provide a little more context.