Mr. Wolfgang Roehrig:

Cyberdefence is the military part of cybersecurity. I do not know whether that is clear but it is the clearest way to interpret the link. The EDA is not an operational actor and, therefore, on any aspect of operational activities relating to cyberdefence, it is not the EDA in the driving seat, although it has a supporting role. As Mr. Ruutu mentioned, this work on the joint cyber unit in the defence and diplomacy community is led at this stage by the external action service, EAS, with the EDA in support. The link with the military community, following the establishment of the joint cyber unit, is one of the key items we have at the moment in the defence community. As Mr. Ruutu mentioned, a roadmap on how to engage with the defence community is being developed. Together with the diplomacy community, these communities in the EU context are still taking an intergovernmental approach compared with the other dimensions of baseline cybersecurity under the network and information security, NIS, directive, or combating cybercrime with the support of the European Cybercrime Centre.