Jennifer Carroll MacNeill (Dún Laoghaire, Fine Gael) | Oireachtas source

That is interesting and speaks so much to Irish people's revulsion about that activity. I do not know if I am correct, but it seems to me from the presentation that it comes to it, possibly, from the convicted person’s perspective. What I am much more concerned about is the original victim, and the crime not happening in the first instance, in the context of trying to structure the legislation. Am I wrong in picking that up? I appreciate what Dr. Haynes is trying to say and we do not want to stigmatise people indefinitely about having a conviction of that nature. I understand that but does that not speak to how Irish people view hate-based activity in the first instance? Should we not take the strongest possible approach here to this legislation as a committee?