David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein) | Oireachtas source

That is in Ms Hardiman's opening statement. My point though concerns this situation where we have people at the coalface treating children, such as the surgeons who are doing the procedures, saying that it would be "dishonest" to claim that the cyberattack and the impact of Covid-19 are the main drivers of the current situation, a worsening situation and the inadequacy of the service. Would Ms Hardiman accept that is a reasonable position for those people to hold, from their perspective?