Mr. Seamus McCarthy:

I believe the Deputy is referring to the first table on screen. My understanding is that that €4 billion is the estimated outstanding liability. It is the figure that will appear in the State Claims Agency's closure note in the annual statements. The HSE would report in its financial statements the outstanding liability figure under the clinical indemnity scheme and part of the general indemnity scheme. In 2020, I believe the HSE reported a figure of €3.3 billion or €3.4 billion. The annual payment would be smaller. I believe it was €450 million or so in 2020, which is the evidence that was given, and that is in the financial statements of the State Claims Agency for 2020.