Mr. Basil Geoghegan:

On the Deputy's point about the early-morning Heathrow flight, another factor to consider is that fares have gone up and are now really high. Michael O'Leary is on record as saying they will continue to rise. This is another reason for the slow return to flying; people cannot afford to travel as much as they would like to.

On the second point, it is, in a way, a case of different strokes for different folks and there are different things that can happen. The DAA would use rebates or low charges in Cork Airport as a way to entice business there, because it is needed. We would not want to do so forever but the aim is to help people to grow their businesses. It can take several seasons to grow a route and make it profitable. I can understand Mr. Ó Céidigh making that point in the context of what he is doing at Shannon. In the case of an airport like Dublin, where there are different types of passengers, it is possible to flex it in a slightly different way. I do not believe we, as an organisation, ever want to do anything other than carry our own water. We are not looking for subvention. We do not think it necessarily drives the right ethos through any organisation, regardless of who owns it. I completely take the point, however, that in the case of an airport like Shannon, where there is not a large number of flights but there is a large amount of infrastructure, it is understandable why Mr. Ó Céidigh is looking at things from the perspective to which the Deputy referred.