Louise O'Reilly (Dublin Fingal, Sinn Fein) | Oireachtas source

Okay. I appreciate Mr. Kelly is reluctant to say but surely the penalty must hit them in the pocket as otherwise they will not hear the message. Does Mr. O'Brien have a view on what would constitute a sufficiently dissuasive level of penalty to discourage employers who do not seem capable of doing the right thing in some instances?