Mr. John Devitt:

I am happy to come in briefly on this point. A conflict of interest is a conflict of interest irrespective of the nature of the organisation in the context of which it arises. If, for example, a public official who had authorised a grant to Transparency International were to apply for a role with Transparency International within a year of retiring, that would raise eyebrows. We are anxious to avoid any perception of a conflict of interest, irrespective of the nature of the organisation. In such circumstances, it is important for the commission to decide whether a perceived or material conflict of interest arises where former or retiring public officials move to or assume a role with a for-profit or not-for-profit organisation. The commission should be guided by the risk of a material or perceived conflict of interest in that regard.