Mr. Michael Culbert:

Once again it is very awkward for me because there is a major echo. At the moment, I am still listening to the Senator speaking because there is a terrible echo. If the committee can hear me, will somebody give a thumbs-up? Okay.

What the Senator said was spot on. What we need is some sort of structural situation. We have a rather casual one. The Stormont working group was set up under the Stormont House Agreement and it has been quite effective. It gave an imprimatur and a little gravitas to situations that were arising. I would not presume to speak on behalf of loyalist ex-prisoners, but they are a major section of our community and we interact with them quite a lot. They deal with the same situations we do and they also, with us, sit on the Stormont working group. To a degree, we very much need a similar structure in the South, set up formally under the auspices of the Government, to give an imprimatur to situations that arise and are dealt with by the Stormont House Agreement for the purposes of employment. We have trade unions and employers' organisations there. It is quite good because of the interactions that are created. Resolutions are found without having to take them very far into the legal world. In a similar way, quite a few human rights organisations also-----