Catherine Murphy (Kildare North, Social Democrats) | Oireachtas source

It is no big surprise. How much is being paid for this special arrangement? I ask Mr. Reid to provide a timeline for every member of staff being moved onto a system that is properly secure, such as Windows 10 or another system that is more modern than Windows 7. He accepted it is a risk. Was it not on a risk register? It is not like it was not known that these licences were not going to provide the protection that is required. Was that on a risk register in advance of the cyberattack? Was there a programme to phase them out in advance of the attack? I know that has probably been accelerated but why did the HSE get itself into this position?