Mr. Michael Grassick:

I think so, yes. We do not agree on everything. There are certain issues on which we will take the IHRB to task, such as the pre-race testing to which I referred. It wanted to do what the British Horseracing Authority, BHA, does, which is to test one or two horses. On issues such as that, we sit down with the IHRB, agree or disagree, and put forward our views on the best way forward. Horses are very sensitive animals. At times one gets the sense that the IHRB does not get how important it is for horses to be able to relax before a race. It is a competition. Any little thing can upset a horse and affect its performance. We have those discussions with the IHRB. There are other matters we discuss with it. We do not always agree but, in general, we have confidence in the IHRB.

If, for instance, a trainer is fined or anything like that, I represent the trainer at appeals and so on. I represented a trainer yesterday at an appeal at which we turned around the original decision. It only related to fines and non-runners and things like that but one of the functions of the IRTA is to represent-----