James Lawless (Kildare North, Fianna Fail) | Oireachtas source

That point is very well made, both in the ICCL's submission and in the contributions today. I thank Mr. Herrick for that response.

I will move on to the next speaker. Apologies to Ms McLoughlin-Burke. Her microphone is playing havoc. This happens to all of us when we are on these sessions. It is a case of the perils of the demo. These things happen. Unfortunately, I will not be able to bring Ms Mcloughlin-Burke in because she is inaudible. She might stay with us and if in the meantime she manages to figure out what is going on, she can let me know and I will bring her in later on. Our next speaker is Senator McDowell.