Mr. Joe Saunders:

I have two final comments. On Senator Murphy's observations, I agree that this is a people's business and our starting point is wherever people's starting point is as we try to bring them on a journey while also recognising their capacity. The digital era has challenges and opportunities and we need to see those in a balanced way.

I thank the Chair and members of the committee. The members who are on the call and those who are not have each individually taken an active interest in our work at local and national level over the past few months and that is reflected in the invitation we received to be here this morning. We appreciate that. We also appreciate the opportunity for dialogue and to elaborate on and answer some of the members' questions. We wish the committee well in drawing up its pre-budget submission. If there is any further assistance we can give at a committee or individual level, please contact us and we will do so without hesitancy.