Mr. Martin McMahon:

The Denny case and the ESB meter readers case both went to the High Court. In the ESB case, despite a High Court ruling that those involved were employees, the decision was simply ignored. They have taken it upon themselves to decide that the Department is the sole arbiter of who is employed and self-employed and they do not have to listen to case law. They are saying it straight up. They maintain they are not compelled or bound by case law and they have said that clearly multiple times.