Verona Murphy (Wexford, Independent) | Oireachtas source

That is fine, I thank Mr. Kavanagh. To move on, Mr. Kavanagh has been the CEO of HRI for a long time, from 2001. Well done on that, which is extraordinary longevity in these times. Going back to the start of Mr. Kavanagh's tenure, we had the foot and mouth outbreak in 2001. Was Mr. Kavanagh the CEO at that stage?